Limiting magazine capacity does nothing to protect the innocent, it only enables the murders around us while restricting law abiding citizens from effective defense.
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Thursday, June 2, 2016
Firearms Myth 12: Magazine Capacity Restrictions Work
This video says it all. Liberal Democrats, especially in California, continue to tell us that murderers and terrorists can be stopped or their murderous rampages reduced if we restrict magazine capacity to only 10 rounds. This video destroys that myth. There's really nothing more that I can say.
Limiting magazine capacity does nothing to protect the innocent, it only enables the murders around us while restricting law abiding citizens from effective defense.
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Limiting magazine capacity does nothing to protect the innocent, it only enables the murders around us while restricting law abiding citizens from effective defense.
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Firearms Myth 11: Gun Laws Prevent Terrorists from Murdering Innocent People
I know, it's absurd. It's ridiculous that I have to correct the record because of those who claim that gun laws and restrictions imposed upon law abiding citizens would prevent terrorists from committing mass murder. After all, murder and terrorism are already illegal, right? We have already told murderers and terrorists that they can't be here in California, that they can't murder people, and they can't commit acts of terrorism. That's the point isn't it? It doesn't really matter how they murder or terrorize. The point is it's illegal and immoral to do either. Adding another ban to how someone may commit murder or an act of terror is just silly because if someone decides they are going to act that way, they are going to do so in direct defiance of any existing law or moral code that exists. There. Argument over, right? Sadly no. There are those among us, including elected officials who actually have the power to author and vote on law, who believe that by adding more laws and restrictions on firearms, that they can stop murders and terrorists.
Now, I get it that making it harder for someone to commit these actions by restricting their access to the tools they may use has merit. But is creating new law that only law abiding citizens will follow the right solution? There's also only so much we can do in a free society. We allow people to purchase and drive motor vehicles, and we do so trusting that they will operate those vehicles in a safe manner. But sometimes people don't. They abuse that freedom and a tool for transportation can suddenly become a deadly weapon. We can't take away cars in general because a few people abuse that right. We simply cannot prevent people from doing bad things if we want to live in a free society. Here's the deal, we cannot keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and terrorists and we cannot prevent them from using firearms. Once firearms were invented, they became part of our reality. Look at illegal drugs. Our nation declared a "war on drugs," and we've done everything from legislation to education to direct disruption to prevent people from obtaining and using illegal drugs. Has it worked? No. That's because in this world we live in, there will always be a black market supply for those who want to obtain banned substances. Criminals will always be with us and they will do criminal things. Firearms are no different in this respect. They are here and will always be here. I'm not advocating for legalizing drugs, please don't think that. I'm simply using drugs as an example of a banned substance that still finds it's way into the fabric of everyday life. I've personally never used any illegal drug. I don't exactly know how to obtain drugs, nor do I have any idea on how much they cost, nor how much to buy (quantity). I'm totally ignorant on the topic. However, I guarantee you that if you gave me 48 hours, I could find and buy illegal drugs. Guaranteed.
Here's another example. It is illegal to buy, sell, import, or manufacture standard capacity magazines in California. By standard I mean magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. However, that ban does not exist in our border states. Arizona and Nevada are a quick few hours drive from where I live. If I wanted to, I could easily cross that state boundary, purchase standard capacity magazines, and keep them at my house. By California law, I would be committing a felony. But murders don't care about felonies and terrorists aren't planning on being captured and prosecuted. I could also cross the international border to the south and obtain illegal materials that way. The only thing that a magazine ban does is restrict access to law abiding citizens, granting the upper hand to murders and terrorists. They will get them and will use them, guaranteed.
My point is, laws only work for those who want to obey them. Firearm ownership in America is a civil right enumerated within our Constitution. It's to be held in the same regard as all other civil liberties. It is a reality that we have the right to life and the right to defend our lives and liberty using an effective tool such as a firearm accordingly. It is perfectly legal to use a firearm in self defense situations (as defined by the law), yet Democrats are constantly placing restrictions upon the tools that would enable law abiding citizens to execute their rights under that legal protection. It's absurd. Firearms exist. They are part of our reality. We cannot change that. No one would advocate that we as a nation dissolve our military to slow down the international arms race and conflicts that arise. Doing so would make us an instant victim. So it is on the personal level with firearms. Once they came into existence and criminals could obtain them, it became necessary for individual citizens to be able to use the same platform for defense.
Here's a quote from liberal Democrat and California State Senator Loni Hancock from Berkeley who voted in favor of new firearms restrictions in 2016 that would ban owning standard capacity magazines, citing the San Bernadino terrorist attacks as justification. As I mentioned before, purchasing, selling, importing, and manufacturing standard capacity magazines is already illegal, but if you owned one prior to the enactment of that ban, you still can. However, Democrats are trying to change that. This quote comes from the Los Angeles Times on in an article posted on May 19, 2016, again where Senator Hancock tries to relate the San Bernadino terrorist attack as justification to impose new restrictions.
"If the shooters had a 10-round magazine, 4 [out of 14] of the victims would still be alive." - Loni Hancock (D)
I didn't realize the Senator was clairvoyant. That myth has been busted so many times it's silly that Democrats are still citing it, and yet they are. Anti-gun laws do not prevent murderers from murdering people. The Senator is forgetting the fact that these terrorists obtained the firearms via an illegal method and used them to commit illegal acts including mass murder and terrorism. They also had constructed or were in the process of constructing explosive devices at home, likely with the intent and in the process of breaking several other laws. Why would they break all those laws only to accept and submit to a 10 round magazine restriction? According to this Senator, the implication is that these terrorists would obey magazine restriction laws and would have stopped after firing 10 rounds. This Senator's statement is so absurd that I can't believe I just typed that. How did this person get elected? They obtained and modified their firearms illegally!!
Another blatant lie from a California Democrat in the same article can be found from State Senator Isadore Hall (D-Compton) who's deception and/or ignorance led to a proposed bill that would enact restrictions and bans on center fire rifles that accept detachable magazines, effectively defining them as "assault rifles" and making them illegal to purchase and forcing owners to register them with the state DOJ. Here's this Senator's lie, also taking advantage of terrorist activity to push their personal agenda:
"These types of firearms have no legitimate use for sport hunters or competitive shooters. They have been designed to facilitate the maximum destruction of human life." - Sen. Isadore Hall
Sigh. Where do I begin? Dear Senator Ignorant, have you ever heard of predator and varmint hunting? Yeah, those are entire categories of hunting which ammunition manufacturers and gun companies design products to enable. As one such example, the Mossberg MVP line of rifles stands for Mossberg Varmint and Predator. That bolt action center fire rifle accepts detachable magazines and is chambered in the same caliber as AR-15s. The AR platform itself is extremely popular for varmint and predator hunting due to it's reliability and ergonomics. Another example comes from ammunition manufacturer, Hornady, who makes a line of ammunition called "varmint express" in the caliber these modern sporting rifles are optimized for. Modern sporting rifles are used to dispatch varmints and predators for many purposes including to protect life and property. These AR-15 and the Mossberg MVP platforms and others like them are perfect for the job because the caliber is right, and they are effective. Seriously Senator Hall, before writing and voting for legislation, do some basic homework to understand the issue, the industry, and the people you are impacting.
Secondarily, there is an entire world of competitive sport shooting called "three-gun" in which shooters leverage three platforms (pistol, shotgun, and sporting rifle) to see who can shoot the most accurately and quickly under pressure. Look it up. It's an extremely popular competitive sport. The AR platform is the sport rifle of choice among law abiding three-gun shooters. It's an exceptional platform for competition shooting. The assertion from this Senator that there is no legitimate competitive use for these rifles is just a blatant lie. The Senator can't be that ignorant, so I have to assume they are a liar trying to mislead and manipulate the public.
Finally (for this Senator at least), the idea that a modern sporting rifle is designed for the "maximum destruction of human life" is another absurd statement. Nuclear weapons were designed for the maximum destruction of life. Bombs are designed for the maximum destruction of life. Legalizing abortion is designed for the maximum destruction of life. Chemical weapons are designed for the maximum destruction of life. Shotguns are far more destructive than center fire rifles. A rifle that fires one small caliber bullet at a time is NOT designed for massive destruction. It's designed for moderate distance, mass production, and cost effectiveness. Let's not forget, this is a small caliber rifle that the Senator is speaking of. It's on the lowest end of the scale of legitimate "hunting calibers." Go look it up. Google "hunting caliber" and check for yourself. In fact, many in the hunting world dismiss the 5.56/.223 round these modern sport rifles are optimized for, as an illegitimate, underpowered, glorified .22 rimfire round. How can this bullet, so scrutinized by the hunting world for it's lack of caliber and range, be described as "maximum destruction of human life?"
Finally, let's look at the place in the nation with the highest murder rate: Chicago. That city has some of the most restrictions on firearms in the country. Chicago is notorious for suppressing civil rights defined by the 2nd Amendment. Yet that city leads the nation in murders committed using firearms. In fact, news headlines just yesterday stated that May broke records in Chicago for the number of shootings and murders committed using firearms. How can it be that in that city where firearms are basically outright banned, that murderers continue to use them? Because legislation doesn't prevent law breakers from breaking the law. In fact, it appears based on the Chicago experience, that the more restrictions on firearms that a community imposes, the more murders are committed using them.
Look, I get it Democrats, you want to ban firearms. Ok, just admit that and make that your agenda. Let's battle over removing a civil liberty from the US Constitution and put this issue to bed. Stop intentionally lying to the public and enforcing all these restrictions that do nothing but put the community at risk. Do your homework. Learn reality, embrace it, and then act.
If you don't like living in a society where firearms are a civil liberty, then move to a society where they aren't. In Canada for example, firearm ownership is a privilege, not a right. Go there. It's close and you can still visit us.
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Now, I get it that making it harder for someone to commit these actions by restricting their access to the tools they may use has merit. But is creating new law that only law abiding citizens will follow the right solution? There's also only so much we can do in a free society. We allow people to purchase and drive motor vehicles, and we do so trusting that they will operate those vehicles in a safe manner. But sometimes people don't. They abuse that freedom and a tool for transportation can suddenly become a deadly weapon. We can't take away cars in general because a few people abuse that right. We simply cannot prevent people from doing bad things if we want to live in a free society. Here's the deal, we cannot keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and terrorists and we cannot prevent them from using firearms. Once firearms were invented, they became part of our reality. Look at illegal drugs. Our nation declared a "war on drugs," and we've done everything from legislation to education to direct disruption to prevent people from obtaining and using illegal drugs. Has it worked? No. That's because in this world we live in, there will always be a black market supply for those who want to obtain banned substances. Criminals will always be with us and they will do criminal things. Firearms are no different in this respect. They are here and will always be here. I'm not advocating for legalizing drugs, please don't think that. I'm simply using drugs as an example of a banned substance that still finds it's way into the fabric of everyday life. I've personally never used any illegal drug. I don't exactly know how to obtain drugs, nor do I have any idea on how much they cost, nor how much to buy (quantity). I'm totally ignorant on the topic. However, I guarantee you that if you gave me 48 hours, I could find and buy illegal drugs. Guaranteed.
Here's another example. It is illegal to buy, sell, import, or manufacture standard capacity magazines in California. By standard I mean magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. However, that ban does not exist in our border states. Arizona and Nevada are a quick few hours drive from where I live. If I wanted to, I could easily cross that state boundary, purchase standard capacity magazines, and keep them at my house. By California law, I would be committing a felony. But murders don't care about felonies and terrorists aren't planning on being captured and prosecuted. I could also cross the international border to the south and obtain illegal materials that way. The only thing that a magazine ban does is restrict access to law abiding citizens, granting the upper hand to murders and terrorists. They will get them and will use them, guaranteed.
My point is, laws only work for those who want to obey them. Firearm ownership in America is a civil right enumerated within our Constitution. It's to be held in the same regard as all other civil liberties. It is a reality that we have the right to life and the right to defend our lives and liberty using an effective tool such as a firearm accordingly. It is perfectly legal to use a firearm in self defense situations (as defined by the law), yet Democrats are constantly placing restrictions upon the tools that would enable law abiding citizens to execute their rights under that legal protection. It's absurd. Firearms exist. They are part of our reality. We cannot change that. No one would advocate that we as a nation dissolve our military to slow down the international arms race and conflicts that arise. Doing so would make us an instant victim. So it is on the personal level with firearms. Once they came into existence and criminals could obtain them, it became necessary for individual citizens to be able to use the same platform for defense.
Here's a quote from liberal Democrat and California State Senator Loni Hancock from Berkeley who voted in favor of new firearms restrictions in 2016 that would ban owning standard capacity magazines, citing the San Bernadino terrorist attacks as justification. As I mentioned before, purchasing, selling, importing, and manufacturing standard capacity magazines is already illegal, but if you owned one prior to the enactment of that ban, you still can. However, Democrats are trying to change that. This quote comes from the Los Angeles Times on in an article posted on May 19, 2016, again where Senator Hancock tries to relate the San Bernadino terrorist attack as justification to impose new restrictions.
"If the shooters had a 10-round magazine, 4 [out of 14] of the victims would still be alive." - Loni Hancock (D)
I didn't realize the Senator was clairvoyant. That myth has been busted so many times it's silly that Democrats are still citing it, and yet they are. Anti-gun laws do not prevent murderers from murdering people. The Senator is forgetting the fact that these terrorists obtained the firearms via an illegal method and used them to commit illegal acts including mass murder and terrorism. They also had constructed or were in the process of constructing explosive devices at home, likely with the intent and in the process of breaking several other laws. Why would they break all those laws only to accept and submit to a 10 round magazine restriction? According to this Senator, the implication is that these terrorists would obey magazine restriction laws and would have stopped after firing 10 rounds. This Senator's statement is so absurd that I can't believe I just typed that. How did this person get elected? They obtained and modified their firearms illegally!!
Another blatant lie from a California Democrat in the same article can be found from State Senator Isadore Hall (D-Compton) who's deception and/or ignorance led to a proposed bill that would enact restrictions and bans on center fire rifles that accept detachable magazines, effectively defining them as "assault rifles" and making them illegal to purchase and forcing owners to register them with the state DOJ. Here's this Senator's lie, also taking advantage of terrorist activity to push their personal agenda:
"These types of firearms have no legitimate use for sport hunters or competitive shooters. They have been designed to facilitate the maximum destruction of human life." - Sen. Isadore Hall
Sigh. Where do I begin? Dear Senator Ignorant, have you ever heard of predator and varmint hunting? Yeah, those are entire categories of hunting which ammunition manufacturers and gun companies design products to enable. As one such example, the Mossberg MVP line of rifles stands for Mossberg Varmint and Predator. That bolt action center fire rifle accepts detachable magazines and is chambered in the same caliber as AR-15s. The AR platform itself is extremely popular for varmint and predator hunting due to it's reliability and ergonomics. Another example comes from ammunition manufacturer, Hornady, who makes a line of ammunition called "varmint express" in the caliber these modern sporting rifles are optimized for. Modern sporting rifles are used to dispatch varmints and predators for many purposes including to protect life and property. These AR-15 and the Mossberg MVP platforms and others like them are perfect for the job because the caliber is right, and they are effective. Seriously Senator Hall, before writing and voting for legislation, do some basic homework to understand the issue, the industry, and the people you are impacting.
Secondarily, there is an entire world of competitive sport shooting called "three-gun" in which shooters leverage three platforms (pistol, shotgun, and sporting rifle) to see who can shoot the most accurately and quickly under pressure. Look it up. It's an extremely popular competitive sport. The AR platform is the sport rifle of choice among law abiding three-gun shooters. It's an exceptional platform for competition shooting. The assertion from this Senator that there is no legitimate competitive use for these rifles is just a blatant lie. The Senator can't be that ignorant, so I have to assume they are a liar trying to mislead and manipulate the public.
Finally (for this Senator at least), the idea that a modern sporting rifle is designed for the "maximum destruction of human life" is another absurd statement. Nuclear weapons were designed for the maximum destruction of life. Bombs are designed for the maximum destruction of life. Legalizing abortion is designed for the maximum destruction of life. Chemical weapons are designed for the maximum destruction of life. Shotguns are far more destructive than center fire rifles. A rifle that fires one small caliber bullet at a time is NOT designed for massive destruction. It's designed for moderate distance, mass production, and cost effectiveness. Let's not forget, this is a small caliber rifle that the Senator is speaking of. It's on the lowest end of the scale of legitimate "hunting calibers." Go look it up. Google "hunting caliber" and check for yourself. In fact, many in the hunting world dismiss the 5.56/.223 round these modern sport rifles are optimized for, as an illegitimate, underpowered, glorified .22 rimfire round. How can this bullet, so scrutinized by the hunting world for it's lack of caliber and range, be described as "maximum destruction of human life?"
Finally, let's look at the place in the nation with the highest murder rate: Chicago. That city has some of the most restrictions on firearms in the country. Chicago is notorious for suppressing civil rights defined by the 2nd Amendment. Yet that city leads the nation in murders committed using firearms. In fact, news headlines just yesterday stated that May broke records in Chicago for the number of shootings and murders committed using firearms. How can it be that in that city where firearms are basically outright banned, that murderers continue to use them? Because legislation doesn't prevent law breakers from breaking the law. In fact, it appears based on the Chicago experience, that the more restrictions on firearms that a community imposes, the more murders are committed using them.
Look, I get it Democrats, you want to ban firearms. Ok, just admit that and make that your agenda. Let's battle over removing a civil liberty from the US Constitution and put this issue to bed. Stop intentionally lying to the public and enforcing all these restrictions that do nothing but put the community at risk. Do your homework. Learn reality, embrace it, and then act.
If you don't like living in a society where firearms are a civil liberty, then move to a society where they aren't. In Canada for example, firearm ownership is a privilege, not a right. Go there. It's close and you can still visit us.
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Wednesday, June 1, 2016
Firearms Myth 10: Gun Rights Group X Doesn't Represent Me
Like all the other myths I've written about, this one also drives me crazy. When you talk to a gun owner out there about firearms lobbyists and rights groups, inevitably you'll mention one that will get a reaction from the gun owner. That reaction is often negative, and the gun owner will say something like "I don't like them," or "they didn't do enough to...," or "I'm a different type of gun owner and they don't represent me." B.S. If you are a gun owner, every legitimate gun rights group in the United States represents you, and you should be supporting them.
Look, I get it, some of the gun rights groups come with a certain stereotype and may not align with your personal style. They may annoy you in their delivery, and you may not like the issues they elevate. You may even disagree with them on some issues. But here's the deal, you are up against multi-billionaires who want to take away your rights completely, regardless of how you exercise them. You are upset with lobbyists over their approach on certain topics while liberal politicians are trying to ban you from owning a gun period. What keeps them from doing so are these large gun rights organizations. Do they get it right 100% of the time? No, of course not. Do they support you? Yes, you own a gun, and they are all about protecting your right to do so.
I recently heard one YouTube gun commentator point out that we as gun owners moan and groan over our $25 a year membership fees to some of these organizations, yet willingly spend thousands of dollars each year on firearms, ammunition, and accessories. He's absolutely right. The bottom line is, without these rights groups active today, you won't be able to purchase or own any of that stuff.
I'll call out NAGR as one of those annoying rights group that make me pause. There's all kinds of hate about them as well if you read into their background or story at all. For me, it was their delivery...all those fake emails that are trying to look personal. All those scary stories that end with "now send us money." They annoyed the heck out of me, but you know what, they are a voice out there fighting to protect my rights. They are a lobbyist group who engages with elected politicians, furthering the preservation of the second amendment. They are a resource for people interested in guns to come and learn from. They are on my side, doing work I am not, so, I owe them my support.
I recently chatted with a gun owner who absolutely hates the National Rifle Association. This person is a hunter who thinks the second amendment has nothing to do with personal defense or liberty. That's another post for another day. Based on their belief, they don't like modern pistols, they don't like semi-automatic rifles, and they don't like today's magazine capacity beyond the standard 3-5 round count found in bolt action rifles. They view all those as items the public shouldn't have. They are the classic gun owner who draws the line with the question, "was that designed for the military?" The NRA obviously fights to protect people's rights to own all firearms of any type regardless of the driver or early adopter of any design. So, this person in particular doesn't like the NRA because in addition to supporting hunters, they also support every other lawful gun owner out there. My friend actually thinks that by protecting 2A rights from the liberty and defense perspective, that the NRA is intentionally helping to put people in danger. That ridiculous, but it's another post for another time. Here's the deal though, without the NRA, hunters wouldn't be able to own firearms either. The NRA is the loudest voice in protecting the 2nd amendment. They are the ones who stand up and fight every time politicians try to suppress our civil rights. The NRA-ILA keeps me informed on local issues and helps me engage my local politicians on related issues. I owe them my support.
I often reference the Cal Guns organization forums and website to make sure I'm up to speed on laws and just as a great source for firearms technology and related topics. They are a tremendous resource, and they fight the anti-gun voices here in my home state. I owe them my support, after all, I rely on them to continue fighting the issues they are fighting in court today; all attempts to suppress my rights.
You see anti-gun people don't like firearms period. They are attacking the modern types like AR-15s and polymer semi-automatic pistols, but their views extend beyond that. Look at Hillary Clinton and her favoritism toward total confiscation as was implemented in Australia. Obama, the leader of the Democrat party, has elevated nations with complete bans on firearms are more modern and civil than the US. More recently, in CA, we had liberal politicians claiming they could have prevented the San Bernadino terrorist attacks if only we had stricter gun laws. Their outlandish claims that "guns kill people," are not restricted to one brand or one model or one design. They aren't saying "modern sporting rifles are killing people." They are after guns in general. As with all liberal movements, they start by targeting what they can attack easily to win people toward their argument. When they win that argument, they move on to the next until they have controlled the entire issue. Listen to these politicians and anti-gun voices. They don't care about hunters. In fact, they often view hunters in a worse light than your average tacticool AR-15 owner because hunters are killing animals.
The question "was that designed for the military" when used by an anti-gunner or hunter really annoys me. I'm good with that question when it's from someone who is simply trying to learn, but when someone uses the question to discern whether or not a firearm is appropriate for private ownership, that's when I go ballistic inside. The very first firearm was designed for the military, specifically to suppress local populations in China who were rebelling against their government. So firearms in general were designed for the military. You could probably trace every modern firearm to a military objective at some point. Bolt action rifles used by hunters were designed "for the military." Lever action rifles that defined the old west were built to solve the challenge of single-shot rifles and initially adopted by the military (although civil war history buffs indicate they were adopted more by private citizens at first for use in the civil war). The point is, yes, that firearm (whatever it is) was designed for the military. Get over it.
The question "was that designed for the military" when used by an anti-gunner or hunter really annoys me. I'm good with that question when it's from someone who is simply trying to learn, but when someone uses the question to discern whether or not a firearm is appropriate for private ownership, that's when I go ballistic inside. The very first firearm was designed for the military, specifically to suppress local populations in China who were rebelling against their government. So firearms in general were designed for the military. You could probably trace every modern firearm to a military objective at some point. Bolt action rifles used by hunters were designed "for the military." Lever action rifles that defined the old west were built to solve the challenge of single-shot rifles and initially adopted by the military (although civil war history buffs indicate they were adopted more by private citizens at first for use in the civil war). The point is, yes, that firearm (whatever it is) was designed for the military. Get over it.
When people talk about gun ownership, they don't differentiate between a bolt action hunting rifle and an AR-15. They talk about guns in general terms. Remember that giant gun statue at the UN headquarters? It's not a smashed Glock. It's a revolver with a twisted barrel. They hate guns period. That includes the guns you hunters own and love.
Gun rights groups don't always get it right, but we leave the fight up to them. We sit at home and enjoy our sport and freedoms far away from the courts and legislators. Gun rights groups are right there in the fight, on our behalf. They need our support. They need your support. Send them money. Become members. It doesn't matter if you don't like how they addressed a certain issue. Do you agree with your locally elected politicians 100% of the time? Nope. Neither will you agree with your gun lobbyist 100% of the time. So, engage. Become a member, participate in the discussion, communicate with the organization, attend their gatherings. Do your part.
They do represent you.
Hexmag vs. PMAG: First Impressions
I'd much rather do this via video than text, so perhaps there will be a companion video soon, but I wanted to quickly capture my initial impressions on this topic before they drift too far from this moment. I want to capture my experience so far with the new Hexmag AR-15 magazines, and I will update that experience as it progresses.
Why Hexmag?
I first came across Hexmag via a friend of mine who purchases them almost exclusively for his AR. They are readily available at his favorite local shop, and are often priced below the industry leading Magpul PMAGs by at least a few bucks. For a while, I dismissed them as just another magazine option that measures itself against PMAG and kept my purchases confined to Magpul. Why save a couple of bucks per magazine and sacrifice performance, right? My friend on the other hand, chose the other approach and kept sending me pictures of his continued purchases. Why not save a couple of bucks and get something that functions just as well?
I've also been seeing Hexmag pop up in more and more Internet content; namely in videos posted by the new gun media. Popular names all over YouTube and Full30 are embracing and torture testing Hexmags, and hinting that they are starting to prefer them over PMAGs. The various reviews basically stack them up squarely against PMAGs with a few potential advantages over the Magpul standard. So, I decided to check them out myself. If these people who I respect have made the decision to stock up on Hexmags, then there may be something to them that I should consider. Besides, why would I miss an excuse to buy more magazines? Here's two of my favorite vides on the subject:
I browsed around the Hexmag website, looking for more information about the company. I wanted to know why they existed and what they were trying to solve that others hadn't already. Magpul being the industry standard, I was looking for things that stood out as a reason to buy a Hexmag product instead of PMAGs. In one video posted on their website, I heard a founding member state that they wanted to create a product that looked cool first, and functioned well second.
The video is here: https://youtu.be/bdoBnOB5B3o and remarks start at the 25 second mark.
The company president says in the video, "Hexmag was started on the principle that most magazines are boring, so we started on the first principal that it had to look good." The emphasis was on appearance which led to the hexagonal pattern on the Hexmag body. I've since heard other bloggers and gun videographers claim this hex pattern is about creating friction to enhance grip, but based on the President's own video, I think that may be a side benefit at best. Besides, Hexmag also sells hexagonal grip tape to fill in the hex pattern on the magazine body. If the body is designed to enhance grip, why add and sell the tape? To be honest, that video was a major negative to someone like me who looks first for function and performance, and second at appearance. Hexmag, by their own words, was founded to create a cooler looking magazine option for AR owners that wasn't as boring as the available options. Personally, I think PMAG has them beat in the appearance arena, but regardless, the founding concern being appearance is less than ideal for me.
Another point made by the Hexmag website, is that in restricted states like CA where I live, you can still order a full sized magazine, that is purpose-built during the manufacturing process for reduced capacity. I like that. You can't buy a 30 round PMAG that was designed for 10 rounds from Magpul or retailers. You have to buy 10 round PMAGs designed for 10 rounds, or 30 round PMAGs that have been permanently modified by the retailer to accept only 10 rounds. Now, Hexmag touts that this is an appearance (looks cool), and compliance issue (legal to own), and it mostly is both of those. Practically speaking, using a 30 round PMAG or Hexmag that can only accept 10 rounds is a waste of space reserved for those 20 rounds that are banned in CA. Hexmag tries to market that open space as storage opportunity, but I'm not sure of the practical use cases of that space. In practical terms, I can carry more magazines in CA by adopting 10 round PMAGs, than I can by using 30 round PMAGs trimmed to 10 rounds or full sized Hexmags designed for 10 rounds. The spring in 10 round PMAGs is really stiff and a lot longer than the magazine body, which leads me to believe they may be designed for 20 round magazines, vs. the Hexmag 10 round spring which isn't as stiff and is shorter which indicates it is optimized for 10 rounds. Does it make a difference? I don't know, but conceptually it sounds good, and it appears to be built accordingly. It may be that a longer, stronger spring has the long term advantage. Time will tell.
Hexmag also offers their 10 round product in color options Magpul doesn't. That is totally an appearance issue, but I like FDE and 10 round PMAGs don't come in FDE. They come in black or sand (and sand might as well be white for those who haven't picked one up). I have more options with Hexmags, and I like options.
I was also intrigued by the replacement follower and base plates that provide a spectrum of different color options. This truly seems unique in the industry and does meet a real need I have; at a glance discernment of ammunition type in a magazine. Like many others, I do load different ammunition into PMAGs that by the magazine exterior, appears the same. My variation is between 5.56, .223, and bullets within those two spectrums (FMJ, JHP, FTX etc.). The Hexmag base plate and follower option does allow me to choose a color scheme for my ammunition variation, so I can quickly identify which is which regardless of which end of the magazine I'm looking at. I can use green for 5.56 performance FMJ, blue for .223 FMJ, red for .223 FTX, orange for .223 JHP, yellow for 5.56 bulk FMJ etc. Easy to identify from either end of the mag, and I can designate magazines for different purposes which can help me track performance and issues that may develop with an individual magazine. The bright followers also help see within the chamber in low light conditions to verify magazine status. All benefits over PMAGs.
So, between the body color options, the 10 round-by-design in a 30 round body, and the base plate and follower coordination, and YouTube hype, I decided to buy a few.
First Impressions - Strength and Feel
When I opened the first Hexmag package, I was immediately disappointed. I had that feeling of, "oh, no, that was a mistake." They feel and look cheap and weak. However, that may just be appearance and due to their weight, because according to those torture test videos I've seen, these things can stand up to all sorts of abuse. Still, comparing the component parts and how they fit together with the PMAG, the Hexmag looks less precise and cheap in the fit and finish department. The Hexmag also feels like you can crush it, but despite my best efforts to do so by hand, it doesn't flex a bit, so the feel may be deceiving.
This is totally subjective, but to me, the hex texture does nothing to enhance grip. In fact, holding the PMAG in one hand and the Hexmag in another, the Hexmag actually feels too smooth and slick. By comparison, the PMAG has a texture that feels rough and is easier to grip. Gripping the Hexmag with pressure, my fingers can slip easily on the surface. That's not the case with my PMAGs where the texturing of the material itself adds noticeable friction. I tried to capture the textures in the image below. The Hexagonal pattern on the Hexmag is certainly raised higher than the ridges on the PMAG, but the Hexmag material itself is really slick. You can see some texturing on the PMAG which is really pronounced by feel.
Taking the magazines apart, I also compared springs (visually and by touch). Again, very subjective, but the Hexmag springs feel cheap. I'm not sure if they are a different metal than what Magpul uses, but they really feel different. Now, different and lighter can be good. Some materials like polymer are lighter than similar materials yet stronger. That could be the case here. However, the PMAG springs on my M2 and M3 PMAGs feel thicker and higher quality. Totally subjective as they may function the same, but still something that bothers me about a product that claims to be innovative. When compressing the springs outside of the magazine body, I also found the PMAG to be a much stiffer spring. The Hexmag spring was easier to compress than the PMAG. Re-assembly of the magazines was more of a challenge with the PMAG again, due to that stronger spring resistance, but that could also be viewed as an advantage: a strong enough spring that isn't too difficult to work with. Again, subjective, but it's there. What I'm wondering is if that spring difference could affect feeding? Could that represent a shorter life span? Time will tell. I noticed something else visible in the picture below with regard to spring orientation. The Hexmag spring leans left relative to the curvature of the magazine body (toward the magazine body spine), while the PMAG is almost straight, and if anything, leans consistently with the curvature of the body of the PMAG. No idea if that matters functionally, but it may be contributing to follower tilt that I describe below. Notice where the pressure from the top of the spring meets the Hexmag follower (hint, it's pressing up against the rear of the follower).
First Impressions - Fit
I took both the Hexmag and PMAG apart to look at the component pieces and how well they fit together. with the PMAG, you can see the follower and base plates fit into well defined slots that provide a snug integration between parts (see the image below, focus on the section of the PMAG follower toward the front). The PMAG follower design incorporates some extensions or wings that fit in front of internal guides within the magazine body. The Hexmag on the other hand, has less defined integration points which could result in a few potential functional problems (yet to be experienced). As one example, the follower in the Hexmag has a lot of room around it, allowing you to wobble and move it back and forth. The internal grooves that serve as guides for the follower in the PMAG run the length of the body, but are not present in the Hexmag at all. The PMAG follower is a snug fit that doesn't move, while the Hexmag feels loose and wobbles on touch with a little pressure. You'll also notice in the image below, the arms at the opening of the magazine, cover more of the follower in the PMAG than in the Hexmag. That leaves the impression again of better design and integration in PMAGs. The spring attachment design to the follower is almost identical in both mags, while the attachment to the base plate is more defined and secure in the PMAG than in the Hexmag (see the image above).
In the following image, you can see how the PMAG follower fits snugly into a tight space in the top of the magazine body. The Hexmag follower almost looks like the wrong part for the body as it extends beyond the top of the body at an angle, allowing it to wobble back and forth with ease. I haven't experienced feeding issues yet, but just looking at this design makes me worried about performance and consistency in feeding in the Hexmag.
I have never experienced problems from excessive follower tilt the original aluminum M4 mags were rebuked for. In fact, Magpul is famous for their replacement follower that is designed to solve problems caused by excessive tilt. When I press down on the front of my PMAG follower, the pressure moves the whole follower down consistently. The whole follower moves uniformly with no forward tilt at all. This is due in part to the follower design as well as the PMAG body which contains a groove the follower fits in. However, pressing on the forward point of the Hexmag follower results in considerable tilt visible in the image below. The tilt does stop at about the point depicted and the rear of the follower then starts to move down with the follower at an angle. There is no internal groove in the Hexmag body as there is in the PMAG to prevent this. I don't know if the tilt allowed will affect performance or not, but it's there. Could this be due to where the spring engages the follower as I pointed out above? I think so. I think this is a design flaw and opportunity for Hexmag to improve.
When it comes to being inserted into an AR with the bolt closed, I initially thought the Hexmag wouldn't lock in place. I saw other people test this on YouTube, and their Hexmags locked in with a closed bolt with seemingly no problem. I tried each of my Hexmags and had the same result; wouldn't lock in. PMAGs lock in place with almost no effort and no need to slam them in place with a brisk smack from the palm of your hand. It turns out after trial and error that my Hexmags (all of them) require a good smack in the base plate to fully seat and lock in place. Releasing was no problem and they all dropped free just as my PMAGs do.
First Impressions - Visual
Ok, this is the most subjective feedback so far, but it's annoying to me for a product that claims to be an improvement over the industry standard. The Hexmags look cheap. They do. I don't know if it's the material difference or the manufacturing process, but the lines and grooves just aren't as clean as those on PMAGs, and there's a lot more space between pieces. Notice in the image below, the residual material leftover on the Hexmag that resembles a seam? It's a snag line that runs the length of the Hexmag body spine. There is a similar characteristic on the PMAG, but it's far reduced and doesn't snag to the touch. To me that has nothing to do with function, but is all about quality in the manufacturing process. You can also see in the image below the forward, upward tile of the follower in the Hexmag.
I couldn't quite capture it, but when comparing the current version of baseplates between the PMAG and the Hexmag, the gap between plate and body is wider on the Hexmag than PMAG. Hexmag follows a base plate design similar to the PMAG M2 base plates vs. the improved PMAG M3 base plates which are a more snug and integrated fit. The result is a more pronounced edge on the bottom of the Hexmag (and PMAG M2), and a more subtle gradual widening on the PMAG M3. You can't see it well in this image, but here's an example: Hexmag, PMAG M3, PMAG M2.
Overall Impressions and Recap
Alright, I've been extremely critical of the Hexmag, and probably picking on things that won't matter functionally. Here's the bottom line for me: buy both. Let's give Hexmag some market capital to continue developing and refining their product, and let's give Magpul some incentive to develop their response. To me, Magpul is a higher quality product, but Hexmag has some interesting innovations that I like.
I love competition in the marketplace. It drives innovation and price reduction which are both positives for the consumer. From what I hear, Hexmags function perfectly and are probably strong enough for every civilian purchaser in the US. They have redeeming qualities and options that Magpul doesn't offer. However, to my eyes and touch, they are a lower quality magazine for not much of a price difference. I really like the color options of both the magazine body, the follower, and the base plates.
I think Hexmag would do well to develop a next-generation magazine that fixes the follower tilt, improves the component fit, has a more robust spring, and adds texture to the body. Those four additions, and I'd say they could give Magpul a run.
For now, Hexmag has some work to do. PMAGs are still, in my opinion, higher quality magazines for only a buck or two more in cost, but let's give Hexmag a chance and the resources to continue building a cool product. They've hit the market, made an impression, now it's time to fill in some of the design gaps and create an improved product.
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Why Hexmag?
I first came across Hexmag via a friend of mine who purchases them almost exclusively for his AR. They are readily available at his favorite local shop, and are often priced below the industry leading Magpul PMAGs by at least a few bucks. For a while, I dismissed them as just another magazine option that measures itself against PMAG and kept my purchases confined to Magpul. Why save a couple of bucks per magazine and sacrifice performance, right? My friend on the other hand, chose the other approach and kept sending me pictures of his continued purchases. Why not save a couple of bucks and get something that functions just as well?
I've also been seeing Hexmag pop up in more and more Internet content; namely in videos posted by the new gun media. Popular names all over YouTube and Full30 are embracing and torture testing Hexmags, and hinting that they are starting to prefer them over PMAGs. The various reviews basically stack them up squarely against PMAGs with a few potential advantages over the Magpul standard. So, I decided to check them out myself. If these people who I respect have made the decision to stock up on Hexmags, then there may be something to them that I should consider. Besides, why would I miss an excuse to buy more magazines? Here's two of my favorite vides on the subject:
IV8888 Magazine Torture Test
Sootch00 Hexmag HX30:
I browsed around the Hexmag website, looking for more information about the company. I wanted to know why they existed and what they were trying to solve that others hadn't already. Magpul being the industry standard, I was looking for things that stood out as a reason to buy a Hexmag product instead of PMAGs. In one video posted on their website, I heard a founding member state that they wanted to create a product that looked cool first, and functioned well second.
The video is here: https://youtu.be/bdoBnOB5B3o and remarks start at the 25 second mark.
The company president says in the video, "Hexmag was started on the principle that most magazines are boring, so we started on the first principal that it had to look good." The emphasis was on appearance which led to the hexagonal pattern on the Hexmag body. I've since heard other bloggers and gun videographers claim this hex pattern is about creating friction to enhance grip, but based on the President's own video, I think that may be a side benefit at best. Besides, Hexmag also sells hexagonal grip tape to fill in the hex pattern on the magazine body. If the body is designed to enhance grip, why add and sell the tape? To be honest, that video was a major negative to someone like me who looks first for function and performance, and second at appearance. Hexmag, by their own words, was founded to create a cooler looking magazine option for AR owners that wasn't as boring as the available options. Personally, I think PMAG has them beat in the appearance arena, but regardless, the founding concern being appearance is less than ideal for me.
Another point made by the Hexmag website, is that in restricted states like CA where I live, you can still order a full sized magazine, that is purpose-built during the manufacturing process for reduced capacity. I like that. You can't buy a 30 round PMAG that was designed for 10 rounds from Magpul or retailers. You have to buy 10 round PMAGs designed for 10 rounds, or 30 round PMAGs that have been permanently modified by the retailer to accept only 10 rounds. Now, Hexmag touts that this is an appearance (looks cool), and compliance issue (legal to own), and it mostly is both of those. Practically speaking, using a 30 round PMAG or Hexmag that can only accept 10 rounds is a waste of space reserved for those 20 rounds that are banned in CA. Hexmag tries to market that open space as storage opportunity, but I'm not sure of the practical use cases of that space. In practical terms, I can carry more magazines in CA by adopting 10 round PMAGs, than I can by using 30 round PMAGs trimmed to 10 rounds or full sized Hexmags designed for 10 rounds. The spring in 10 round PMAGs is really stiff and a lot longer than the magazine body, which leads me to believe they may be designed for 20 round magazines, vs. the Hexmag 10 round spring which isn't as stiff and is shorter which indicates it is optimized for 10 rounds. Does it make a difference? I don't know, but conceptually it sounds good, and it appears to be built accordingly. It may be that a longer, stronger spring has the long term advantage. Time will tell.
Wasted space or storage opportunity?
Hexmag also offers their 10 round product in color options Magpul doesn't. That is totally an appearance issue, but I like FDE and 10 round PMAGs don't come in FDE. They come in black or sand (and sand might as well be white for those who haven't picked one up). I have more options with Hexmags, and I like options.
I was also intrigued by the replacement follower and base plates that provide a spectrum of different color options. This truly seems unique in the industry and does meet a real need I have; at a glance discernment of ammunition type in a magazine. Like many others, I do load different ammunition into PMAGs that by the magazine exterior, appears the same. My variation is between 5.56, .223, and bullets within those two spectrums (FMJ, JHP, FTX etc.). The Hexmag base plate and follower option does allow me to choose a color scheme for my ammunition variation, so I can quickly identify which is which regardless of which end of the magazine I'm looking at. I can use green for 5.56 performance FMJ, blue for .223 FMJ, red for .223 FTX, orange for .223 JHP, yellow for 5.56 bulk FMJ etc. Easy to identify from either end of the mag, and I can designate magazines for different purposes which can help me track performance and issues that may develop with an individual magazine. The bright followers also help see within the chamber in low light conditions to verify magazine status. All benefits over PMAGs.
So, between the body color options, the 10 round-by-design in a 30 round body, and the base plate and follower coordination, and YouTube hype, I decided to buy a few.
First Impressions - Strength and Feel
When I opened the first Hexmag package, I was immediately disappointed. I had that feeling of, "oh, no, that was a mistake." They feel and look cheap and weak. However, that may just be appearance and due to their weight, because according to those torture test videos I've seen, these things can stand up to all sorts of abuse. Still, comparing the component parts and how they fit together with the PMAG, the Hexmag looks less precise and cheap in the fit and finish department. The Hexmag also feels like you can crush it, but despite my best efforts to do so by hand, it doesn't flex a bit, so the feel may be deceiving.
This is totally subjective, but to me, the hex texture does nothing to enhance grip. In fact, holding the PMAG in one hand and the Hexmag in another, the Hexmag actually feels too smooth and slick. By comparison, the PMAG has a texture that feels rough and is easier to grip. Gripping the Hexmag with pressure, my fingers can slip easily on the surface. That's not the case with my PMAGs where the texturing of the material itself adds noticeable friction. I tried to capture the textures in the image below. The Hexagonal pattern on the Hexmag is certainly raised higher than the ridges on the PMAG, but the Hexmag material itself is really slick. You can see some texturing on the PMAG which is really pronounced by feel.
Texture comparison: Hexmag (R) vs PMAG (L)
Taking the magazines apart, I also compared springs (visually and by touch). Again, very subjective, but the Hexmag springs feel cheap. I'm not sure if they are a different metal than what Magpul uses, but they really feel different. Now, different and lighter can be good. Some materials like polymer are lighter than similar materials yet stronger. That could be the case here. However, the PMAG springs on my M2 and M3 PMAGs feel thicker and higher quality. Totally subjective as they may function the same, but still something that bothers me about a product that claims to be innovative. When compressing the springs outside of the magazine body, I also found the PMAG to be a much stiffer spring. The Hexmag spring was easier to compress than the PMAG. Re-assembly of the magazines was more of a challenge with the PMAG again, due to that stronger spring resistance, but that could also be viewed as an advantage: a strong enough spring that isn't too difficult to work with. Again, subjective, but it's there. What I'm wondering is if that spring difference could affect feeding? Could that represent a shorter life span? Time will tell. I noticed something else visible in the picture below with regard to spring orientation. The Hexmag spring leans left relative to the curvature of the magazine body (toward the magazine body spine), while the PMAG is almost straight, and if anything, leans consistently with the curvature of the body of the PMAG. No idea if that matters functionally, but it may be contributing to follower tilt that I describe below. Notice where the pressure from the top of the spring meets the Hexmag follower (hint, it's pressing up against the rear of the follower).
Hexmag and PMAG springs, followers, and baseplates (assembled)
First Impressions - Fit
I took both the Hexmag and PMAG apart to look at the component pieces and how well they fit together. with the PMAG, you can see the follower and base plates fit into well defined slots that provide a snug integration between parts (see the image below, focus on the section of the PMAG follower toward the front). The PMAG follower design incorporates some extensions or wings that fit in front of internal guides within the magazine body. The Hexmag on the other hand, has less defined integration points which could result in a few potential functional problems (yet to be experienced). As one example, the follower in the Hexmag has a lot of room around it, allowing you to wobble and move it back and forth. The internal grooves that serve as guides for the follower in the PMAG run the length of the body, but are not present in the Hexmag at all. The PMAG follower is a snug fit that doesn't move, while the Hexmag feels loose and wobbles on touch with a little pressure. You'll also notice in the image below, the arms at the opening of the magazine, cover more of the follower in the PMAG than in the Hexmag. That leaves the impression again of better design and integration in PMAGs. The spring attachment design to the follower is almost identical in both mags, while the attachment to the base plate is more defined and secure in the PMAG than in the Hexmag (see the image above).
Follower and frame fit 1
In the following image, you can see how the PMAG follower fits snugly into a tight space in the top of the magazine body. The Hexmag follower almost looks like the wrong part for the body as it extends beyond the top of the body at an angle, allowing it to wobble back and forth with ease. I haven't experienced feeding issues yet, but just looking at this design makes me worried about performance and consistency in feeding in the Hexmag.
Follower and frame fit 2: Hexmag (R) vs PMAG (L)
I have never experienced problems from excessive follower tilt the original aluminum M4 mags were rebuked for. In fact, Magpul is famous for their replacement follower that is designed to solve problems caused by excessive tilt. When I press down on the front of my PMAG follower, the pressure moves the whole follower down consistently. The whole follower moves uniformly with no forward tilt at all. This is due in part to the follower design as well as the PMAG body which contains a groove the follower fits in. However, pressing on the forward point of the Hexmag follower results in considerable tilt visible in the image below. The tilt does stop at about the point depicted and the rear of the follower then starts to move down with the follower at an angle. There is no internal groove in the Hexmag body as there is in the PMAG to prevent this. I don't know if the tilt allowed will affect performance or not, but it's there. Could this be due to where the spring engages the follower as I pointed out above? I think so. I think this is a design flaw and opportunity for Hexmag to improve.
Hexmag follower tilt
When it comes to being inserted into an AR with the bolt closed, I initially thought the Hexmag wouldn't lock in place. I saw other people test this on YouTube, and their Hexmags locked in with a closed bolt with seemingly no problem. I tried each of my Hexmags and had the same result; wouldn't lock in. PMAGs lock in place with almost no effort and no need to slam them in place with a brisk smack from the palm of your hand. It turns out after trial and error that my Hexmags (all of them) require a good smack in the base plate to fully seat and lock in place. Releasing was no problem and they all dropped free just as my PMAGs do.
First Impressions - Visual
Ok, this is the most subjective feedback so far, but it's annoying to me for a product that claims to be an improvement over the industry standard. The Hexmags look cheap. They do. I don't know if it's the material difference or the manufacturing process, but the lines and grooves just aren't as clean as those on PMAGs, and there's a lot more space between pieces. Notice in the image below, the residual material leftover on the Hexmag that resembles a seam? It's a snag line that runs the length of the Hexmag body spine. There is a similar characteristic on the PMAG, but it's far reduced and doesn't snag to the touch. To me that has nothing to do with function, but is all about quality in the manufacturing process. You can also see in the image below the forward, upward tile of the follower in the Hexmag.
PMAG vs. Hexmag Finish Quality
I couldn't quite capture it, but when comparing the current version of baseplates between the PMAG and the Hexmag, the gap between plate and body is wider on the Hexmag than PMAG. Hexmag follows a base plate design similar to the PMAG M2 base plates vs. the improved PMAG M3 base plates which are a more snug and integrated fit. The result is a more pronounced edge on the bottom of the Hexmag (and PMAG M2), and a more subtle gradual widening on the PMAG M3. You can't see it well in this image, but here's an example: Hexmag, PMAG M3, PMAG M2.
Overall Impressions and Recap
Alright, I've been extremely critical of the Hexmag, and probably picking on things that won't matter functionally. Here's the bottom line for me: buy both. Let's give Hexmag some market capital to continue developing and refining their product, and let's give Magpul some incentive to develop their response. To me, Magpul is a higher quality product, but Hexmag has some interesting innovations that I like.
I love competition in the marketplace. It drives innovation and price reduction which are both positives for the consumer. From what I hear, Hexmags function perfectly and are probably strong enough for every civilian purchaser in the US. They have redeeming qualities and options that Magpul doesn't offer. However, to my eyes and touch, they are a lower quality magazine for not much of a price difference. I really like the color options of both the magazine body, the follower, and the base plates.
I think Hexmag would do well to develop a next-generation magazine that fixes the follower tilt, improves the component fit, has a more robust spring, and adds texture to the body. Those four additions, and I'd say they could give Magpul a run.
For now, Hexmag has some work to do. PMAGs are still, in my opinion, higher quality magazines for only a buck or two more in cost, but let's give Hexmag a chance and the resources to continue building a cool product. They've hit the market, made an impression, now it's time to fill in some of the design gaps and create an improved product.
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